Yes, please! Somebody really should make my novels into movies or miniseries. One of the first editors to ever lay eyes on my Waterspell fantasy saga called it cinematic. A later reader won my everlasting gratitude when he posted this review: “This is up there with the great books of wonder! Would love to see this as a movie. Have spent three days reading each book with hardly any sleep. It’s so enthralling that I would say I was bespelled by each word!” Wow! Thank you from the bottom of my heart. 😍
I agree about the movie. My Waterspell books have a dark, dangerous, mysterious leading man and a brave, headstrong, determined young woman protagonist. The story starts in an isolated manor house in a cursed forest. From there, the quest takes the two main characters across bandit-infested plains, high into snow-capped mountains, and then to the distant shore of another world. It would make a gripping miniseries or even a quartet of movies. There are four Waterspell books, so—logically—four movies.
My newest novel, the standalone Adverse Reactions, is a post-apocalyptic, paranormal, gritty modern Western fantasy. There’s plenty of danger and suspense, with the super-power element of psychokinesis (mental ability to move objects). The characters are complex, refusing to immediately reveal their motives. Are they friend, or are they foe?
The book’s settings will be familiar to filmmakers and moviegoers, but all have a twist. The town on the dusty prairie is called Purity, but it’s built on a river that carries an ominous name: Contagion. The so-called ranch is more of a commune for outcasts. The place has got cowboys, cattle, and horses, but the whole outfit hides deep in rugged mountains, far from town. In another remote part of those mountains, a pseudo-psychiatric facility is a true hellhole, a buried chamber of horrors.
A filmmaker could have a field day (or a franchise) with Adverse Reactions. The book has a Hunger Games vibe. Too bad I don’t know any directors or producers.
If you’ve got Hollywood connections, please drop a few strong hints. There’ll be a finder’s fee in it for you. 🤗
Every writer gets asked: Where do the ideas come from?
For many of us, the question is so unanswerable, we can only smile gently and deflect. Have you heard about the warehouse in Poughkeepsie where ideas can be had wholesale, a dime a dozen? (Wink, wink)
Seriously, most writers have no real idea where the ideas come from. Ideas well up from the subconscious, far below the level of awareness. More than once, as I’ve come awake in the morning, I’ve had the entire plot of a book running through my head. It’s a mad dash to the keyboard then, stopping only to grab a cup of coffee before feverishly pounding out the main points of the plot before the whole thing evaporates back into the ether from which it came.
That was not the process, however, for Adverse Reactions, my newest book. I have no memory of where the original idea might have come from. It was too long ago: I actually started the book in 2005. I managed 24,000 words of it before I hit a wall. I’d reached the first “plot point”—pivotal moment; major turning point—and I had no clue where things went from there.
So I shelved the manuscript (plopped it into a file cabinet, actually) and went back to writing the epic fantasy that eventually became Waterspell, a saga that grew by three books in 2022–24 to end up as a six-book series—altogether, more than 680,000 words.
But I never forgot that partial manuscript. I’m not a person who leaves things undone. I’m determined to finish what I start (even if it takes six books and 680,000 words to do it). In 2025, therefore, I pulled that manuscript out of the file cabinet and sat down to read what I’d written 20 years earlier.
What I found in those rough-draft pages—the compelling urgency of it—surprised even me. The story gripped me. I found myself caring deeply about the protagonist and the awful situation she’s in as the story opens.
What was even better, though, was the way my mind leapt ahead when I reached the end of that 24,000-word partial. A score of years earlier, I hadn’t known where the story went. Now I did. The logical and dramatic next steps in the quest for justice were clear.
During those 20 years, I’d done a lot of writing and a lot of living (some of it hard). I’d gained experience, deepened my understanding of people and their motivations, and observed the good and the evil of which humans are capable. All of that living had equipped me to finish the story—to finish what I’d started, and to do it in a way that has been personally fulfilling.
Thank you for reading, and for spreading the word about my cross-genre, post-apocalyptic, paranormal, gritty modern “Western.”
In a world that demands mindless conformity, be your own exceptional self.
What’s the story behind the story? What inspired you to write this book?
I don’t remember and can’t even guess where the original idea came from. I actually started the book in 2005, but managed only 24,000 words before hitting a wall. I got stuck at the first plot point. So I shoved the manuscript into a file cabinet and returned to writing the epic fantasy that eventually became my six-book Waterspell series. But I never forgot that partial manuscript. Last summer, I unearthed it and read what I’d written 20 years before. What I found in those rough-draft pages—the compelling urgency of it—surprised me.
The awful situation the protagonist is in, as the story opens, grabbed and held me. And more than that: my mind leapt ahead when I reached the first plot point. A score of years earlier, I hadn’t known where the story went from there. But now I did. The logical and dramatic next steps in the quest for justice were clear. During the book’s 20-year incubation, I’d done a lot of writing and a lot of living. I’d gained experience, deepened my understanding of people and their motivations, and observed the good and the evil of which humans are capable. All of that equipped me to finish the story, and to do it in a way that has been personally fulfilling.
Pick theme songs for the main characters of your book. Adverse Reactions is a post-apocalyptic, paranormal, suspense-thriller, Western fantasy. It crosses genres! The Great Plains setting evokes the theme song from the movie, Once Upon a Time in the West. Another classic film score that would fit is The Good, the Bad and the Ugly.
What’s your favorite genre to read? Is it the same as your favorite genre to write? I mainly read and write fantasy, with a fair amount of science fiction on the side. As a kid, the first book I bought with my own money was Daybreak—2250 A.D., post-apocalyptic science fiction by the great Andre Norton. I fell in love with Norton’s books and her writing style. Currently, I’m catching up on her Witch World fantasy novels that I somehow missed in my adolescence.
What books are on your TBR pile right now? So many! Too many! Besides the Witch World books, which are numerous, I’m into the Sally Lockhart mysteries by Philip Pullman, published between 1985 and 1994. The final book of that series came out just a year before The Golden Compass. I recently listened to the audiobooks of The Book of Dust sequels, and as a fantasy writer I was interested in Pullman’s transition from mystery to fantasy. I’m enjoying the Sally Lockhart books, but honestly, I wouldn’t have thought they were written by the same man who would go on to write the incomparable His Dark Materials. Pullman made an inspired leap with Lyra Belacqua’s story, his masterpiece.
What scene in your book was your favorite to write? I’d have to say it’s when my protagonist, Devin, meets Mike Sutter, a complicated man who is the definition of “morally gray.” Sometimes he’s kind and generous. Other times, he’s ruthless to the point of cruelty. He’s got his own agenda, as Devin soon discovers.
Do you have any quirky writing habits? I sit down at the computer, and in strict and unvarying order, I arrange these:
Web browser, taskbar bottom-left, ready to look up synonyms and make sure a word really means what I think it means
Word processing program center-screen—plain old Word, nothing fancy
Dictionary, taskbar bottom-right, my trusty Merriam-Webster
On the writing desk nearby, a hardback copy of the Oxford Thesaurus (American Edition)
I cannot proceed without those things at my fingertips, and in that order. I also require a cup of coffee, a mug of water, and the hum of the air conditioner. Those will keep me pounding the keyboard for hours, until the coffee and water dictate a break. 😊
Do you have a motto, quote or philosophy you live by?
“The soul that has no fixed goal loses itself; for as they say, to be everywhere is to be nowhere.” —Michel de Montaigne
If you could choose one thing for readers to remember after reading your book, what would it be? In a world that demands mindless conformity, be your true, exceptional self.
Authors, have you added A+ Content to your book pages at Amazon?
When Amazon first introduced that feature, I didn’t do it because I thought it made my book pages look junky. But recently I read a newsletter article, The Amazon A10 Update: 3 Things Every Indie Author Needs to Know, by Ferol Vernon at Written Word Media. Among the topics discussed, “Why A+ content and dwell time are suddenly critical ranking factors” caught my attention.
To quote from the raw transcript of the podcast (with some editorial cleanup for readability):
A-plus content is becoming more important because Amazon is wanting their readers or their consumers on the platform to dwell on a page longer. So this metric of dwell time, how long does somebody actually spend on a page, being engaged by the page? That is more important now.
A-plus content is a really great tool for you to be able to do that because if you don’t have it, somebody looks at the description, they scroll to the reviews … maybe they’re on the page for five seconds. If you’ve got the A-plus content, there’s more to read. You maybe extend that dwell time by two or four times as long.
Long is cool again, right? So short and snappy used to be what we would recommend for that description. And that still applies to some extent, but for this A-plus content, [you want] long. Lots of content, lots of images, lots of things that hit on the book’s themes, protagonist, and characters, to keep the reader or potential reader scrolling and dwelling. The dwell time and the scroll time are going to help your book.
Long, eh, Ferol? I like long. 😃
Enthused, I went to KDP and clicked on the Marketing tab, and then on “Manage A+ Content.” My enthusiasm grew when I saw all of the new layouts (what Amazon calls “modules”). Many of the new templates are well suited to my books and to my temperament. I chose three different modules to present A-plus content on my book pages. In them, I included review excerpts along with cover images and brief descriptions. Below are screenshots of each module. (In real life, the A-plus content looks sharper on the actual book pages at Amazon. These screenshots are a tad fuzzy. Clicking on each image will take you to the actual book page, where you can scroll down to see what shoppers see.)
Adverse Reactions: A Novel of the Paranormal
The Original Waterspell Quartet
The Waterspell Linked Sequels
Showcasing a Series
I seldom find any reason to praise Amazon, but I do like the new modules that authors can customize for our books’ A-Plus Content. The ability to assign multiple ASINs to each module is extremely valuable for showcasing a series. The four-book image, WATERSPELL Fantasy Series, shows up on each of those four individual book pages and also on the related page for the boxed set. The two-book image shows up on The Karenina Chronicles page and again on The Fires of Farsinchia page. Grouping the books in this way gives the reader a visual summary of the quartet (which is really one long story told in four volumes), and then the two-book image ties together the linked sequels that tell of Nina’s homecoming and her further adventures.
I don’t know whether this new A-plus content will make the books more visible at Amazon, or affect their ratings, but I like how the modules look on the individual book pages. Over time, I may further refine the content. As a product of a couple hours’ work, however, these three modules present my books in a way that satisfactorily makes the connections among them more obvious to the casual book-shopper. That’s a plus, indeed.
When you’re stretched a little too thin, this is the sort of thing that happens. The president of an organization in which I’m active asked if I would update the design for a billboard that our group intends to display in October. In October! That’s so far in the future, it’s barely on my calendar. When I got her message, I sort of lost it, and I texted her back in a tone that was about as snappish as I’m able to be with such a good friend as she is. I wrote:
Yes, I’ll update the billboard design, but later. My March priorities:
😊 Support the March 18 launch of my new book. Social media, blogging, creating “Buy” links to the various retailers for both editions, ebook and paperback … the to-do list is long. 😵 Shepherd a $300 box of the paperbacks through UPS so the driver doesn’t leave the box sitting on the country lane outside my gate, in the rain this week. 😍 Wish for a friend to organize a book-launch party for me, maybe after the County Convention on March 21. I should have books in hand by then, and will be ready to sell and autograph them. $15 each, and each comes with a lovely print of a professionally drawn map of the book’s setting. (They retail for $18. For everybody who gives me $18, I’ll donate $3 to the scholarship fund.) Know anybody who might organize a book-launch party for me? 😉 🙏 Recruit more Safety & Security volunteers for our local No Kings protest on March 28. We have a Safety Lead plus ONE de-escalator. We need more people with the ability to stay calm and collected around MAGA hecklers. Know anybody with calmer-downer skills? ClearChannel won’t need the new billboard design until September. We have all summer on it. Let me survive March before I give it any more time or attention. 🙏
One Step at a Time
Happily, my friend was not offended by my somewhat snappish, whiny response. 😊 And after a good night’s sleep, I can tackle my to-do list in a calmer, more methodical manner. One step at a time.
Social Media: For me, that’s pretty much Facebook and Instagram, where I’m constantly stymied by the algorithms. If my post mentions “pre-order” or “where to buy” or “available wherever books are sold,” the algorithms cut the audience to nothing. I’m sure I should be more active on Goodreads and BookBub, but neither of those stir my interest. I tend to forget about my Amazon Author page, and I’m not convinced that many readers ever look at it. Any and all advice is welcome — let me hear from you if you’ve solved the puzzle of social media.
Blogging: That’s this, my scattershot blog which serves more as an online diary, a collection of random thoughts that are of limited interest to anyone except me, I fear. But I keep on, because some people do find and appreciate my annual reports about the effectiveness of book-promo sites. Those summaries are my small contribution to the writing community.
“Buy” Links: For my new book, those may be found at Books2Read.com/AdverseReactions. The ebook edition is currently available at 10 retailers. The paperback is available from Bookshop, Amazon, and Barnes & Noble.
My $300 Box of Books: It’s on the way! UPS tells me it’s on the truck for delivery today. And though the sky is heavily overcast, the soaking rain from last night has stopped. A cold front is due through by midday, which will clear away the clouds but bring gusty winds. If my luck continues to hold, I’ll have the box of books inside and safely dry before the front arrives. 🙏
UPDATE ON THE BOX: The Universe continues to smile on my latest endeavor! 💫 My big box of author’s copies and pre-orders arrived this morning AFTER the rain had stopped and BEFORE the cold front comes to blow us off our feet this afternoon. 🎉 That perfect timing, combined with the snakeskin which was earlier shed in my garage (a hat-tip to my male-main-character’s hatband), makes me think the great grand Universe might be on my side with this book. 😁
Paperback Sales and Very Little Profit: I paid $300 for 24 books, ordered direct from the printer. If I sell them for $15 each ($3 off the list price) I’ll make a grand profit of $60 on the carton. That’s $2.50 a book. And people wonder why writers are poor.
The Swag: In my snippy response to my friend, I mentioned “a lovely print of a professionally drawn map of the book’s setting.” Here’s the map, by Tiffany Munro, cartographer, of Feed the Multiverse. I’m having the map printed on heavy, glossy paper, and everybody who buys a book from me in person will get a copy. 😍 It’s quite a lovely piece of work.
Fighting Fascism:ADVERSE REACTIONS: A Novel of the Paranormal is “Dedicated to every antifascist who joined the fight, from 2025 on, to defend American democracy against would-be dictators.” From that, readers may safely assume that I’m an antifascist, and I’m in the fight. Of course I’ll be in the street protesting the current badministration.
Is one actually allowed to “review” their own book at Goodreads? Well, after a fashion. There’s a space for the author to leave comments, but it’s considered bad form (by most people, anyway) for the author to give the book a star rating. (I’d five-star it, naturally, but I’m biased.)
Here’s my “review,” copied from the book’s Goodreads page:
Adverse Reactions is the only true standalone novel I’ve ever written (although the fifth book in my Waterspell series, The Karenina Chronicles, reads as a standalone). Adverse Reactions: A Novel of the Paranormal began life in 2005 with a 24,000-word partial manuscript that stayed in a file cabinet for 20 years. The story never let go of me though, and finally I’d lived enough life and learned enough craft and gained enough understanding of people and history to finish what I’d started. I would really love for people to read this book. I’m proud of it. 😁
“This novel is immediately immersive, with an opening scene that sucks readers in with vivid sensory detail and a great sense of suspense.” —The Black List
“Thematically rich, as Devin faces constant self-doubt but eventually comes to find empowerment in the unique abilities that have made her an outcast.” —The Black List
“Relevant to the current situation in the world. Ostracizing others who are different out of fear and ignorance. Cruelty and inhumanity.” —ARC Reader
Now that I have a cover for my new book, I can do a cover reveal. Which will have to be on Bookstagram and here on my scattershot little blog since everybody in my personal Facebook world has already seen the whole cover uncovered, along with every draft of the surprisingly difficult process (beginning unsatisfactorily with one designer and ending, much more happily, at a completely different studio) that led to a usable image. Long ago, I learned a maxim, and life continues to prove its truth: Things take longer than they do.
Do you find these teasers intriguing? I would really love for people to read this book. Adverse Reactions is the only true standalone novel I’ve ever written. It began life in 2005 with a 24,000-word partial manuscript that stayed in a file cabinet for 20 years. But the story never let go of me, and finally I’d lived enough life and learned enough craft and gained enough understanding of people to finish what I’d started.
*The short blurb:
In the town of Purity, mental gifts earn you a bullet or a lingering death by mind-torture. Devin Perridin is the Syke who survived the horrors of the psych ward. Now the “One Who Got Away” is back for a reckoning. To defeat her tormentors, Devin must reclaim her shattered mind, aided by a denim-clad desperado and a generous helping of Old Magic. Survival was just the beginning: vengeance is next.
*The back cover copy:
In the remote prairie town of Purity, there are some who possess extraordinary powers of the mind. Their fate, if they are discovered, is death by a bullet to the brain. The wealthy, however, have an alternative way to die: they may submit to “therapy”—torture—at the Peaceful Hills sanatorium. For most of the inmates, it is a worse death than a sniper’s bullet. The asylum is brutally designed to snuff out every spark of psychokinetic power, turning a Syke’s brain to mush. Few inmates survive.
Devin Perridin does. She’s the One Who Got Away. But can she find her way back into her right mind? And bring a long-overdue reckoning to the town of Purity and its house of horrors? To exact vengeance on those who put her in the asylum, and avenge the murders of her fellow Sykes, Devin will need the aid of a denim-clad desperado—and a generous helping of Old Magic.
Release date: March 18
*From a professional evaluation: “Its accessible style of prose and teenaged protagonist would likely endear it to young adults, whereas its mature themes and technical accomplishments would likely go a long way with older readers. Because of the book’s literary merit it could definitely attract readers who would not normally consider themselves ‘genre readers.'” —The Black List on the subject of the book’s “Prospects”
Today I received some personal good news that I NEEDED! An evaluation score of 8 from an industry professional at The Black List!
To explain my thrillment, I must first explain The Black List. It’s a “prominent online platform where screenwriters, playwrights, and novelists connect with film, TV, and publishing industry professionals, allowing writers to host scripts/manuscripts, get feedback from vetted readers, and gain exposure to agents, managers, and producers, originally stemming from an annual survey of best unproduced screenplays and now a major hub for discovering new talent and projects. It helps writers get their work seen by industry insiders, offering services like professional evaluations.”
I requested an evaluation of my latest novel, the not-yet-published ADVERSE REACTIONS, and got a glowing response. “Congratulations on your recent evaluation by our reader,” said the email. “Fewer than 5% of the projects hosted on the site have received an overall score of 8 or above.”
The publishing industry professional who reviewed my book gave it an overall score of 8 (out of 10) and posted this:
Strengths
“This novel is immediately immersive, with an opening scene that sucks readers in with vivid sensory detail and a great sense of suspense. In fact, the sensory detail of the book’s prose is one of its strongest qualities … Adverse Reactions is also thematically rich, as Devin faces constant self-doubt but comes to find empowerment in the unique abilities that have made her an outcast. In some ways, the book feels like an extended metaphor about how mental illness is treated in today’s world and what it means to embrace one’s neurodivergence. There is also compelling thematic commentary on modern psychiatric practices and treatment methods, with the author skillfully exploring the negative consequences of supposedly ‘getting well.’ … This novel has few weaknesses.”
Wow! THAT is the sort of reaction that restores my faith in … well, in myself. I have agonized over this book. I started it in 2005; wrote a rough 24,000 words, then shelved it for 20 years; finally “finished” it in 2026.
Now I wait to see if any publisher or filmmaker shows interest in the book. The Black List is sending my work out for additional evaluations, and if the overall score remains at 8 or above, the book will get featured (top-listed) where more industry pros will see it. I’m not getting my hopes up, but this validation of my writing was a great thing to come home to, on the heels of my grocery run this morning.
Prospects
The professional reader’s evaluation closed with an analysis of the book’s prospects. I’m both excited and frustrated by the evaluator’s conclusion:
“Adverse Reactions would likely perform quite well among adults and young adults alike. Its accessible style of prose and teenaged protagonist would likely endear it to younger readers, whereas its mature themes and technical accomplishments would likely go a long way with older readers. It would certainly make sense to at least start by marketing the book to pre-existing fans of supernatural/fantasy books, perhaps at special conferences or bookstores that cater to these genres; however, because of the book’s literary merit it could definitely attract readers who would not normally consider themselves ‘genre readers.’ For this reason, it would be important to make sure the book receives coverage from reputable book-related publications and/or prominent figures in the literary community.”
Well, OK. I can certainly market the book to pre-existing fans of supernatural/fantasy books, most especially the loyal readers of my Waterspell series. If I self-publish, I might be able to get it into bookstores and possibly hand-sell it at conventions and the like. But how in the world do I get coverage from reputable book-related publications or prominent figures in the literary community? If I had those kinds of insider connections, I’d be enjoying a great deal more financial success in my writing career. It goes back to who you know, and I don’t know many people. I’m an introvert and a bit of recluse. <sigh>
But all of that aside, I’m absolutely delighted to get an enthusiastic evaluation from a publishing industry professional. I long ago gave up submitting my work to agents and editors, who take forever to respond, if they deign to respond at all. The Black List removes the tedium of old-fashioned manuscript submission. Their roster of professional readers will respond in one week, or within three weeks at the latest. It’s not free, nor especially cheap. Evaluations cost $150. But Guild members (Writers Guild of America or The Authors Guild) get a substantial discount. I’ve belonged to The Authors Guild since 1995, and thus I paid $120 for the pro evaluation. And because it scored an 8, The Black List is giving me two additional reviews for free! That’s a pretty great deal.
Making a place for yourself in a world where you don't belong takes courage. So does moving in with a warlock.
“Best audiobook series I’ve ever listened to.” —Google Audio
“In this four-book saga, the author has created an epic fantasy world full of magic, danger, romance, and travel through time and space. The characters are vivid and complex. This is a most enjoyable read for fans of fantasy and fine writing.” —Shirley, NetGalley
“Captivating. I loved this series from beginning to end. Complex characters who mature through the series and unexpected plot twists kept me reading far too late into the night.” —Amy, Amazon
“Complicated characters, plot twists, romance, adventure, and magic — all written in a voice that immerses you in a fantasy world both foreign and familiar. Get the box set because you won’t want to leave this world.” —Beck Digs It, Amazon
“Jane Eyre meets Beauty and the Beast. Amazing story, very original. Great series.” —Emma, Amazon UK
“Addictive epic fantasy, with drama and adventure. I binged through the books, eager to see how the story unfolds. Great book. 5 stars.” —Di, NetGalley
“An extraordinary book, four in fact! I read these over a five-day period and found the storytelling fantastic. See for yourself!” —Michelle, NetGalley
“A great read that features world building with drama and magical characters. Highly recommended.” —Neil, Amazon
“An entertaining, fast paced, and well-plotted fantasy series. The world building is fascinating, and the characters fleshed out. Highly recommended.” —Anna Maria, NetGalley
“A riveting series. Well written, excellent world-building with an engaging plot in each book and well-developed characters. I was gripped right from the start with twists I didn’t see and unpredictability.” —Aria, NetGalley
“I was HOOKED. I read until 3 am two nights in a row to finish this. The magic system is unique and the characters are as morally gray as they come.” —Megan, Goodreads
“A must-read for fantasy enthusiasts who enjoy immersive world-building, well-developed characters, and a storyline that seamlessly blends magic and human emotion.” —Dalton, NetGalley
“Such a joy to narrate this. It didn’t feel like work. The story and characters take flight so naturally and then soar.” —Simon de Deney
“Lightfoot has a sure touch with regard to characterisation. Each of her characters has their own authentic and convincing voice. Narrative, description and speech are exceptionally well-balanced.” —Martin Dukes, author of the Alex Trueman Chronicles
“I absolutely loved all four books! You kept your storyline throughout the four books brilliantly. The characters were all genuine and relatable.” —Carol, Goodreads
“I was hooked instantly. I willingly gave up sleep and could not wait to get up to read more. I’m reading the whole series, and absolutely loving it.” —Sarah, Amazon
You won’t want to leave this world.
Castles in the cornfield provided the setting for Deborah J. Lightfoot’s earliest flights of fancy. On her father’s farm in Texas, she grew up reading tales of adventure and reenacting them behind ramparts of sun-drenched grain. She left the farm to earn a degree in journalism and write award-winning books of history and biography. High on her bucket list was the desire to try her hand at the genre she most admired. The result is Waterspell, a multi-layered, intricately detailed fantasy about a girl and the wizard who suspects her of being so dangerous to his world, he believes he’ll have to kill her … which troubles him, since he’s fallen in love with her. Deborah is a professional member of The Authors Guild. She still lives in rural Texas.
Magic, mystery, murder, and romance. Waterspell: An intricate save-the-world fantasy adventure with complex characters, cosmic calamities, and the gothic sensibilities of Jane Eyre.
Mix environmental fantasy with magic, mystery, and a little slow-burning romance, add dystopian undercurrents, and that’s the Waterspell series—a cross-genre story with too many layers for a single label.
Adverse Reactions: A Novel of the Paranormal
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